Is Hydrogen power a potential power for F1? - Combustion? Fuel Cells?

10/10/2020
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Honda are leaving F1 to pursue emission free tech. So what IS the future of Formula 1 power? Batteries are one possible future... but what about Hydrogen? And can we still have combustion engines?
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  • For the fuel cell: You wrote "New but simple". That sounds like Either "New" or "simple" ist something Bad, that und He other has to compensate. When it is New, it has high Potential of getting better. When its simple, it has a high Potential of complicaiting It, to make it better. Old and difficult is the exact opposite of that. Both Things are actually Bad.

    fritz walterfritz walter16 घंटे पहले
  • With hydrogen power Nikki Lauda’s Crash would’ve taken half the forest with him

    IYBJS 530IYBJS 53010 दिन पहले
  • I'm about to rant here so bear with me. How is the issue 20 odd cars going around tracks 23 times a year? How much of an issue would that be? Instead of focusing all of this energy and hours of work on trying to find new innovative ways to make 20 cars emission-less, put that work into the real issue, at least regarding the massive industry that is F1. How about the planes and ships that move this equipment around the world? How about the millions of cars that still run on petrol? Or the giga-factories that pump out more carbon than ever? Once you fix that, F1 won't even be looked at twice. If the fate of car enthusiasts is to eventually drive a mobile battery pack that squeals, at least give us the pleasure of hearing some good ol' F1 cars rip around some tracks. On a side note, producing electric cars could be just as polluting if not more as driving standard combustion diesel cars, but we're not ready to have that conversation yet... [TLDR] Fix more polluting issues rather than worrying about 20 cars driving around tracks once in a blue moon.

    botbot11 दिन पहले
  • Green hydrogen --> Fuel Cells. THE END

    Dr BismilDr Bismil12 दिन पहले
  • I’m so tired with all of these efficiency considerations in F1. Driving in circle 60 times in a row is not efficient in the first place. It’s about fun, not efficiency.

    Fessler IvanFessler Ivan13 दिन पहले
    • These guys are so obsessed with efficiency that they forget others important things

      SadalsuudSadalsuud5 दिन पहले
  • Wait water is also a green house gas, how is water being released makes this any better in terms of emission?

    Arul mccarthyArul mccarthy14 दिन पहले
  • I mean, if we *did* make a race (like Formula H like top comment suggests :P), it might do wonders for hydrogen power overall if it takes off. I mean, imagine the companies that race in it dumping *all* that research money into hydrogen power, and taking how to use it and make it more efficient, and then those companies making hydrogen powered standard cars based on how they found how to turn the hydrogen into power more effectively.

    Lightning BlazeLightning Blaze16 दिन पहले
  • Would a hydrogen powered Gas Turbine work in an F1 car??

    Donald SaundersDonald Saunders17 दिन पहले
  • I hate how’s he’s acting like the only reason people like hydrogen combustion is because it’s “loud” and “traditional”

    Jack DruyonJack Druyon17 दिन पहले
  • surely driving round with a tank of compressed hydrogen is extremely dangerous

    young eyoung e17 दिन पहले
  • First of all F1 engines are up to 50% efficient on petrol running on hydrogen increases thermal efficiency by a small factor. It is very easy to solve the NOX issue with Hydrogen combudtion engines using ceramic Nitrogen/Oxygen seperator filters these concentrate oxygen so act as a solid state supercharger so increasing power and allows high hydrogen aiir ratios without increasing NOX.

    Jonathon DeedsJonathon Deeds20 दिन पहले
  • HYDROLOX FUELLED ROCKET CARS

    Riccardo OrlandoRiccardo Orlando22 दिन पहले
  • If the decision was up to me, I'd change the rules to rotatory engines, stop pretending F1 is Eco-friendly, and also get rid of all the boring tracks on the calendar and replace them with actually good tracks.

    ZPEROZPERO23 दिन पहले
  • Adding supercapacitors to race cars would make it possible to regen power from braking much more efficiently. They would only store maybe 10 sec boost of acceleration but in combination with the energy from the battery or hydrogen it will be enough until the next time the car have to slow down.

    Skeptical CavemanSkeptical Caveman24 दिन पहले
  • Batteries suck ass for motorsport. They will make the cars heavy if they want to run a full race distance. And they sound terrible.

    Matt BoltMatt Bolt24 दिन पहले
  • I absolutely hate Formula E but it seems like the course is going to full vegan engines for the better of the world at least, F1 always spearheads vehicle technologies.

    Ege O.Ege O.25 दिन पहले
  • Another miss informed video The future is not Hydrogen it self but Hydrogen and Co2 capture. Carbon neutral fuels are F1 and all racing fuels for the future.

    MuckmanMuckman25 दिन पहले
  • No, the current save the whales- p.u. is already so costly nobody dare mess with it . Keep it simple stoopids.🤪🏁

    Chris AChris A26 दिन पहले
  • I did hydrogen cars for a science project

    Ethan MartinussenEthan Martinussen26 दिन पहले
  • Wow, what a complex problem. Seems to me, like in a few years, there is no way around hydrogen fuel, cause if we manage to fix the issues we have now, its almos perfect. Who needs loud cars, if every other aspect gets improoved?

    Ukulele ProductionsUkulele Productions26 दिन पहले
  • At first I'd like to thank you for bringing it up. For mobile applications we'll probably stay with liquified or compressed Hydrogen because chemical solutions are heavy and take to long to release the Hydrogen. If embedded into the Monocoque it shouldn't be more dangerous than current Petrols. So I don't think that Storage and Transport is a "big" Problem. About the costs either every team or the FIA could get a electrolyser and some tank units set up in shipping containers big enough to produce enough Hydrogen for the Raceweekend (maybe 2 so the machines could be set up at 2 Locations at a time), that way you'd only need electric power and water to produce the fuel for the race. So the costs could be shared by all teams. But I guess F1 is to "short range" 300km to 400 km a race to make Hydrogen - Fuelcells (HFC) worth it. I think Formula E could expand from city-circuits to race-tracks, because batteries will get better and better. My guess is the "HFC" will first get to race at 24h races, if i m not mistaken 2024 will be the first year with a HFC category at LeMans.

    Alexander BlasiAlexander Blasi29 दिन पहले
  • There's also the fact that hydrogen not safely stored in a fuel cell has a bad tendancy to go bang.

    Gerard MontgomeryGerard Montgomery29 दिन पहले
  • groan

    build Motosykletistbuild Motosykletistमहीने पहले
  • And what if future race cars still use conbustion engines using synthetic oil ?

    Surprise toy CitySurprise toy Cityमहीने पहले
  • 6:57 I'm stupid but curious. Doesn't Hydrogen has very high calorific (if not the higest) value out of available fuels? Wouldn't that be enough to compensate the amount of fuel we can get into the cylinder?

    coenfusecoenfuseमहीने पहले
  • Formula N for Nuclear

    Mihir ShahMihir Shahमहीने पहले
  • Biofuel powered v10?

    Derek LushDerek Lushमहीने पहले
  • problem NOx can be solved by using instead of air liquid oxygene in combination with hydrogen , the cylinders can be smaller and will have much more power... a little risky, but hey , this is F1..

    Rico LocoRico Locoमहीने पहले
  • formula one will eventually morph into mario cart with power ups where you can get an EV boost and bumper car like protection. formula H sounds like an opioid documentary.

    Roland LawrenceRoland Lawrenceमहीने पहले
  • apart from the fact that water vapor is a worse greenhouse gas than CO2

    George HoltGeorge Holtमहीने पहले
  • This has got to be good ! Trolls are everywhere. Hydrogen fuel from yesteryear today !

    1 wordhere 1wordthere1 wordhere 1wordthereमहीने पहले
  • I propose the use of nuclear power units! The thought of a nuclear disaster in the track will force drivers to never crash their cars, hence, improving their driving/survival skills !!!!

    Carmai7Carmai7महीने पहले
  • So, what you are trying to say is that either way we are going electric!

    Carmai7Carmai7महीने पहले
  • So..... straight away... the fuel is not "ignited" but it is oxidised under heat. That's right, the ignition button is poorly named.

    Left Foot BrakeLeft Foot Brakeमहीने पहले
  • I really want hydrogen cell engines to become more popular. For the end user it combines advantages of combustion and electric powerplant. Instant throttle reaction and the most linear power delivery possible BUT without heavy batteries, with option to refuel quickly. The only downside for hydrogen cell is transporting it as it requires building new facilities and huge investment in logistics. BUT with lower weight, less environmental damage, lack of degradation, option to refuel it looks lime THE best solution fornfuture road cars and endurance race cars.

    Gameboy TerrorystaGameboy Terrorystaमहीने पहले
  • damn hippies

    umreteumreteमहीने पहले
  • I have never been lucky enough to go to an F1 race, but certainly CART with its loud engines and intoxicating aroma of methanol. I’ve also been to Formula E, and though it seems so quiet and so foreign so far in Motorsport, it is no doubt the current future of the automobile industry and how suppliers see its market relevance. It is also quite exciting in its own way. It requires an open mind regarding speed and racing. It’s not for all. Therefore, if F1 can make a business case to manufacturers that hydrogen power can be advantageous and supported by the infrastructure needed to process its production as efficiently as possible, then (and only then) can it be a game changer and entice manufacturers. I’m not convinced yet that hydrogen power will win over manufacturers, consumers and current technology. And currently, any racing series needs to be reactive to that. Until these issues are resolved, I can’t expect things to move forward. Hydrogen power has been tested (often by transit authorities), while slowly and quietly being scrapped. I hope any and all technology that can advance Autosport and the automobile direction in the future can be a success.

    Federico CahisFederico Cahisमहीने पहले
  • as long as it goes *VROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM* I dont care

    Mr DandelionMr Dandelionमहीने पहले
  • Compressed hydrogen is not stored at 300 atm in fuel cell cars. It is stored at 700 atm, 700 bar, 70 MegaPascals. The refueling standard established around the world is known as H70. The older standard was H35 for buses at 350 atm. Fueling stations in California are no longer required to carry H35, it is becoming obsolete. Also the efficiency issue has no bearing on "motor sports" at all. The 3 minute refueling time of a hydrogen family sedan could easily be shrunk to seconds in a racing pit. m.cafcp.org cafcp.org

    R SailorR Sailorमहीने पहले
  • 8:02 what is petrol fuel combustion efficiency in comparison to hydrogen combustion and power cell? It has not been mentioned

    Mikołaj RotnickiMikołaj Rotnickiमहीने पहले
    • I believe around 30%

      Riccardo OrlandoRiccardo Orlando22 दिन पहले
  • mix the petrol and hydrogen

    odhran obodhran obमहीने पहले
  • Why not use some sound system to make the electric car of formula E to make it sound like a F1 car... 🤔

    Bala karthikeya NandulaBala karthikeya Nandulaमहीने पहले
  • Why not look into alternative fuel cells like alcohol or gasoline or diesel fuel cells?

    bbbl67bbbl67महीने पहले
  • how is this dude not have A million subscribers.

    Vasudev DehariyaVasudev Dehariyaमहीने पहले
  • Chemically store it: turn it into Ammonia, burn that. Storage is a lot simpler, leaks are astoundingly obvious.

    TheOneWhoMightBeTheOneWhoMightBeमहीने पहले
  • Yeah... but the noise

    Insert NameInsert Nameमहीने पहले
  • @Chain Bear hydrogen, hydrogen.... why F1 engines can't use ethanol? better performance, less carbon deposit than petrol, etc, etc...

    Daniel MistrzDaniel Mistrzमहीने पहले
  • Hydrogen Rotary Engines, imagine Mazda in F1

    Trent BruchTrent Bruchमहीने पहले
  • I think that hydrogen would be the best solution, we would get to keep the sound because if it goes electric then it would just be another Formula E

    Trent BruchTrent Bruchमहीने पहले
  • Nuclear, solar and hydroelectric energy used for electrolysis could be a very interesting system for generating hydrogen. Then we need some sort of chemical storage that can pack high amounts of hydrogen into dense arrangements for storage at atmospheric pressures, perhaps in a way that could be used directly in engines. Hydrocarbons already do this but there are significant downsides.. it'd be interesting to see if there could be some inert fluid that could hold large amounts of hydrogen in solution, with cars containing a reservoir for holding spent fluid or something along those lines.

    Jeremy SiegelJeremy Siegelमहीने पहले
  • I read somewhere a Wankel rotary engine design is particularly suited to burning hydrogen. In petrol form the rotary engine has many drawbacks, but when one switches to the hydrogen fuel, this drawback turns into a great combination. In fact Mazda built a prototype Mazda RX-8 hydrogen rotary car some years ago.

    TheEwanMCTheEwanMCमहीने पहले
  • Internal combustion engines fueled by fossile fuels will be the dominant energy delivery system for transport and F1 cars for at least 50 more years. The insane economy destroying and poverty creating nonesense of electric cars powered by grossly uneconomic renewables will implode sooner rather than later after we destroyed 25% of the economy on this covid bullshit and cant afford the climate alarmist virtue signalling clusterfuck.

    Dark JudgeDark Judgeमहीने पहले
  • Nuclear?

    Toni !Toni !महीने पहले
  • Why do you care about emissions in a f1 car?

    KeitaKeitaमहीने पहले
  • I'll never be into racing that sounds like RC cars going around a track.

    TechnoGuy11TechnoGuy11महीने पहले
  • jesus christ! headphone users volume warning at 5:50... my ears!

    DuncaRDuncaRमहीने पहले
  • you could us liquid water instead of liquid hydrogen or gas hydrogen

    Ahmedo the ProAhmedo the Proमहीने पहले
  • No, why, because an engine that burns fuels is so complicated compared to that of an electric. Why would manufactures invest in this..?

    Jamie CoatsJamie Coatsमहीने पहले
  • Look out for this its coming soon. Get ready its going to be big. Zero Emissions H2 Racing. hyraze-league.com/home-en/

    Sam PickettSam Pickettमहीने पहले
  • Clearly the issue with inefficiency is in the friction caused by tyres being in contact with the road. If we could just hurry up and develop an antigravity racing league we could wipe out this problem easily, possibly as early as 2048.

    DeathInTheSnowDeathInTheSnowमहीने पहले
  • You can just swap the fuel cells out instead of refilling them.

    gioyu comigioyu comiमहीने पहले
  • Amaizing video!! I honestly think they should go back to V8 or V12. BUT, they should offset carbon footprint by planting trees. Planting enough trees will not only offset the race weekend carbon release. But will also help the environment through the year. A win win, and Let racing be racing!!!!

    VOVAVOVAमहीने पहले
  • Liquid hydrogen is dangerous to handle. For that reason alone it cannot be used in auto racing of any kind. Witness the catastrophic explosions when space vehicles have fuel accidents.

    Ernest ImkenErnest Imkenमहीने पहले
  • Alternative fuels have to continue to be developed because unlike Europe and the UK there are a lot of countries that either don't have a stable electrical grid or enough charging stations or both. I guess I come to this as an Australian where there still working on having enough charging stations for a car to go from Brisbane to Melbourne, let alone trucks to transport food and goods. And planes to travel and shipping etc. So whilst Formula 1 could eventually race electric cars that's not what is causing most of their greenhouse emissions. Not sure there is a useful point in any of my ramble sorry.

    Grannie AnnieGrannie Annieमहीने पहले
    • You can just swap the fuel cells out instead of refilling them.

      gioyu comigioyu comiमहीने पहले
  • just use the synthetic fuels they re developing. no co2. all this hydrogen/electric bs is really annoying

    Keisuke TakahasiKeisuke Takahasiमहीने पहले
  • hydrogen has much more energy relased

    Mateusz CielasMateusz Cielasमहीने पहले
  • Can you make a video on biofuel please

    alex halex hमहीने पहले
  • yes but will it tow a boat :D

    abbsnn coseabbsnn coseमहीने पहले
  • Chain Bear .. how fuel efficient is the current F1 combustion engine ? [l/100] ?

    sledger2003sledger2003महीने पहले
  • Excellent explanation😊

    Tony BowkerTony Bowkerमहीने पहले
  • Also one thing worth saying about fuel cells is that they need many rare mineral that also need mining. Plus they are built in very scattered way that makes the recycling of these fuel cells very difficult.

    Guilherme LizGuilherme Lizमहीने पहले
    • engines, they were true engines not like this V6 turbo hybrid. Not every one can afford these engines

      abbsnn coseabbsnn coseमहीने पहले
  • Just use electricity and put a huge speaker into every car

    Michal PavlovMichal Pavlovमहीने पहले
  • Box Box Kimi the car is out of Hydrogen..

    Bay SeaBay Seaमहीने पहले
  • 2:56 Small correction: "So this's how you'd expect HYDROGEN road cars to be tuned" HYDROGEN not NITROGEN, that would be Fast and Furious lol

    aola wiliaola wiliमहीने पहले
  • This is nonsense. All this tech may be good for the car companies, not for racing, or even the planet.

    eraveloeraveloमहीने पहले
  • One point you missed about hydrocarbon fuels is that they can be heated and gasified to deliver really clean combustion. The reason this is not happening is it would make the gas mileage increases that the producers of fossil fuels view as a loss of demand because of the efficiency factor. Plain and simple to understand. VF

    Victory FirstVictory Firstमहीने पहले
  • Formula E is the future.

    FlakeSEFlakeSEमहीने पहले
    • can run it 2 stroke. Has the potential for thousands of HP.

      aola wiliaola wiliमहीने पहले
  • Meanwhile we transport everything via diesel trucks, jet planes and transport ships. All highly polluting. Making motorsports "green" is a futile exercise - we have FE so let's leave it to be the "environmentally friendly" motorsport. Let's have F1 embrace small turbocharged ICE engines and reduce the ridiculous costs associated with racing with hybrid powertrains. Can also make some gains, however minor, towards ICE efficiency since they are still the predominant power source for cars over the next 20 years. In that time F1 can buy out FE and maintain its position at the top of the food chain, presumably.

    Bill CranstonBill Cranstonमहीने पहले
  • You can just swap the fuel cells out instead of refilling them.

    David SDavid Sमहीने पहले
  • okay but what about ammonia as a fuel ?

    Bryan SlompBryan Slompमहीने पहले
  • Please put a video of Rally .

    Dharshan JayarajahDharshan Jayarajahमहीने पहले
  • years Fantastic video explaning everything!

    seiom jvonyseiom jvonyमहीने पहले
  • I think that F1 should go 1.5 ltr V12 2 stroke engines running on ethanol with similar electrical assistance as now. .. Fans get screaming engines, F1 gets a green energy solution its a win win...

    Colin BrownColin Brownमहीने पहले
  • It's an INTERNAL combustion engine, NOT a "Combustion engine".

    frogandspannerfrogandspannerमहीने पहले
  • Man F1 was a simple racing competition and use to entertain us. These electronic devices are ruining the sport, and these bio fuel shit. Let’s use the old V8,V12 and V10 engines, they were true engines not like this V6 turbo hybrid. Not every one can afford these engines

    Yahya RubarYahya Rubarमहीने पहले
    • we have been working with batteries and electricity for a very long on a large scale. Hydrogen is kinda new to us. I think F1 can put their massive RnD into it to make it even be

      seiom jvonyseiom jvonyमहीने पहले
  • The future of f1 is turbo diesel

    Ama EshietAma Eshietमहीने पहले
  • good. pls F1

    miko foinmiko foinमहीने पहले
  • The only thing I wish for in future F1 engines is that they sound like they did in the V10 era; don't care what fuel they use, whether its electic or combustion, just want it to sound good. pls F1

    PJ HarwoodPJ Harwoodमहीने पहले
    • @miko foin Fun fact: electricity isn't free. Also the production costs of electrolysers is still quite high, but expected to drop in the future. Hydrogen produced from fossil fuels is about 5 times as cheap generally speaking

      Jurgen RomanJurgen Romanमहीने पहले
    • No expert here, but Hydrogen is expensive to buy? Is it realy more expensive to produce then gasoline? its just 2 electrodes in water, running electricety throug it and Bam,don

      miko foinmiko foinमहीने पहले
  • Could you combine the two into a single system? Use a fuel cell to extract electrical power from the hydrogen, and then burn it. Obviously this system would be very complicated but this would release more energy from the hydrogen. This could also allow for a testing platform for both technologies before transitioning to the consumer market.

    TitchyNZTitchyNZमहीने पहले
  • in resume: f1 will turn into FE if the 2040 regulations of Brazil for example are approved, disalowing anything to be moved by a ICE when it hits that date (sooner if you are in EU, wich is a core market for F1... we can, as much as it pains me to say, have no races in my home country, but no F1 races in the EU as a whole... no way...)

    marcossonicracermarcossonicracerमहीने पहले
  • You can make super powerful Hydrogen combustion engines using direct injection H2, O2 and H2O. 3 injectors per cylinder. No intake port/valve required, only exhaust, and you can run it 2 stroke. Has the potential for thousands of HP.

    mcc4m1shmcc4m1shमहीने पहले
  • i don't think that f1 will stop using "normal" engines anytime soon tbh...

    TK KönigsTigerTK KönigsTigerमहीने पहले
  • Hydrogen gas is also not the safest chemical to be working with (there may be a famous blimp disaster about it) and would definitely be a scary situation is a major collision

    Beringer ErgoBeringer Ergoमहीने पहले
  • Is driving on ethanol not also an option?

    Roel ClaassenRoel Claassenमहीने पहले
  • Just the video explanation I wanted, and others likely too. Cheers 😁. Have a good day reader, Jesus loves you and died to save you. You must repent and be saved. Amen

    Pete ChristlivesPete Christlivesमहीने पहले
  • Fuck nitrogan. oxygen and hydrogen. All i want is natural aspirated V10s

    AlexCODAlexCODमहीने पहले
  • I am impressed about your knowledge.

    Steen PedersenSteen Pedersenमहीने पहले
  • So if we want hydrogen, no engine sounds

    Nebuchadnezzar QuellcrisNebuchadnezzar Quellcrisमहीने पहले
  • F1 is dead what’s the point of watching races when you are not sure if you have tinnitus or if it’s the cars

    HotCurryKetchupHotCurryKetchupमहीने पहले
  • we have been working with batteries and electricity for a very long on a large scale. Hydrogen is kinda new to us. I think F1 can put their massive RnD into it to make it even better

    Michal OnufrákMichal Onufrákमहीने पहले
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