The F1 Steering Innovations That Were Banned

26/08/2020
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The steering wheel has been an integral part of F1 cars since... well, before F1 cars. But that doesn't mean they can't be improved upon; just compare 50s steering wheels to the ones we see today. Even this year, Mercedes mananged to introduce it's Dual Axis Steering / DAS into it's W11 racecar, even if they've agreed that it'll only last until the end of the season.
To find out more, Jake Boxall-Legge takes a deeper look into the legality of new steering systems, as well as previous times from the 90s where teams have tried to gain an advantage over their rivals with such innovations.
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  • It's a tough commercial problem the FIA faces, let designers go nuts and within a few years there'd be no more than four or five teams in the game and most races would be processions. That wouldn't go well with audiences

    mulgerbillmulgerbill5 दिन पहले
  • I do not believe or think that reverse in a F1 car existed

    Snifey secret channelSnifey secret channelमहीने पहले
  • should have easily banned DAS when the races didn't happen bcuz of covid-19

    maneesha Liyanapatabendymaneesha Liyanapatabendyमहीने पहले
  • Pretty soon the FIA will just ban the entire car and make the drivers power walk for 25 laps.

    LolKatLolKatमहीने पहले
  • F1 is boring to many limits on technical innovation make it impossible for small teams to compete

    Daniel PeragerDaniel Peragerमहीने पहले
  • Maybe this is why the reason F1 losing fans every year, there's no fun and entertainment if every car made "too equal" or maybe F1 is just a rotating advertisements rather than being a real racing.

    Ananda ZenitAnanda Zenit2 महीने पहले
  • No DAS in 2021? :(

    Andreas HabeckAndreas Habeck2 महीने पहले
  • 1:20 I live in Adelaide and that ain't it

    Aston CulfAston Culf2 महीने पहले
  • There should just be a series that doesn’t ban innovations/ rule exploits

    Tommy Games-lolTommy Games-lol2 महीने पहले
  • It's good to see Mercedes agreeing to banning DAS. Other teams that innovated something would be appealing like crazy. This is basically like saying "Our car is so perfectly tuned and designed, you can ban it, but you won't stop our dominance!".

    nvstewartnvstewart2 महीने पहले
  • 02:17 I never understood this discovery. Post-race scrutineering should discover that extra pedal. How did they not see it for more than a year? 🤔

    Gábor MiklayGábor Miklay2 महीने पहले
    • Coulthard had a third pedal for the clutch. Realistic to believe the scrutineers thought Häkkinen’s pedal was for this also

      MartinMartin2 महीने पहले
  • 2:24 when i see a femboy in public

    Big ShmokeBig Shmoke2 महीने पहले
  • It seems so tricky to keep everything balanced and fair. It punishes teams that innovate, all that R&D for only one year and then it's banned. How does a sport move forward in this case?

    Dean JoosteDean Jooste2 महीने पहले
  • You never explained what DAS does

    Reece EngineeringReece Engineering2 महीने पहले
  • banning technologies like ABS is surely making things safer

    FormbiFormbi2 महीने पहले
  • I hate how they ban everything that is good, just ban for ferrari for sucking!

    No NoNo No2 महीने पहले
  • I still can't believe how many advances has been banned, it's like the FIA doesn't want anyone to do anything new

    Edgar RiveraEdgar Rivera2 महीने पहले
  • I think F1 banning basically everything is dumb. It's not really the "ultimate racing sport" if basically every innovation is banned.

    Sean HSean H2 महीने पहले
    • Exactly. It’s ridiculous. Just have a pay limit and don’t ban anything

      TheUKNutterTheUKNutter2 महीने पहले
  • Ask any mechanic and they’ll tell you that toe angle is a component of the suspension set-up.

    R KR K2 महीने पहले
    • Yes it is, but it's adjusted on the steering rack. To adjust toe on a normal car or a kart, you just screw the steering tie rod ends in or out. I don't see why it would be any different on an f1 car. I also drew up a concept to put DAS on a kart... it's actually not that difficult ae

      Douglas PealingDouglas Pealing2 महीने पहले
  • People complaining that the FIA bans innovations. Remember they are professionals better than us, they have a crap tone of experience. Most of the time is a clear safety issue. Or the F1 teams getting unfair advantage, because other teams can't innovative in time and it cost a lot of money. Those one of the reasons I know, there are so many more.

    NineNine2 महीने पहले
    • @Edgar Rivera Hey, safety is the main reason agree with you. But massive advantage removes close to each other races.

      NineNine2 महीने पहले
    • I only agree in safety

      Edgar RiveraEdgar Rivera2 महीने पहले
  • Everyone, and i mean everyone, absolutely HATES the FIA banning every new innovation that finds it's way into the sport. Why do the FIA even exist when all they do is make the sport more boring. FIA is the ones that should be banned instead.

    VitmanVitman2 महीने पहले
  • My ban genius ideas??? They should just let others copy

    DANDAN2 महीने पहले
  • Imagine a car with all banned systems included. Wonder how it would perform against modern F1 cars..

    stuart mcmahonstuart mcmahon2 महीने पहले
  • FIA is such a f***king idiot bunch they ban every innovation I watch MotoGP for Innovation cause in this series they can actually innovate.

    Jake Morand the MomozJake Morand the Momoz2 महीने पहले
  • i really hate the FIA

    natnael kassahunnatnael kassahun2 महीने पहले
  • I know merc will obviously deal with it and be dominant again- but I wanna know how much a ban on DAS will affect the geometry of the front suspension. Especially since the front wing is designed with the suspension configuration in mind. Then everything behind the front suspension is designed to deal with it’s wake. It has to be basically a new car. Then, how’s that gonna affect their awesome rear suspension, for which, the DAS was really just a red herring.

    Wunk SkorksWunk Skorks2 महीने पहले
    • I actually don't think it will make much difference to the geometry. What I think the problem will be is weight. The DAS steering is quite a bit heavier than a normal steering set up, and removing it may have quite the effect on front end responsiveness, especially in low speed corners.

      Douglas PealingDouglas Pealing2 महीने पहले
  • There should be a committee which should be chaired 1/3 rd by vetted team representatives, 1/3 rd by vetted car mechanics and engineers, 1/3 rd by FIA stewards. This committee will review the appeals of FIA to ban innovations of teams. This will be a fair and swift tool for F1, also will remove the dogmatic monopoly of FIA politics in the sport which will empower team’s innovations and give them more sense if control.

    Ninja FreelanceNinja Freelance3 महीने पहले
  • 3 peddle? PEDDLE? 🤦‍♂️ P E D A L 😂

    AntneeAntnee3 महीने पहले
    • Exactly what I thought too! 😅

      Jerome BernardJerome Bernardमहीने पहले
  • F1 is getting ridiculous. It’s supposed to be the cutting edge of motor car engineering and yet your average VW golf has a more advanced electronic package. Traction control, anti lock brakes, radar cruise control and vector braking to name but a few. In the late 80s and 90s Mitsubishi’s and Honda had road going cars with 4ws. They should reduce the regulations and let the designers loose to find new ways of creating faster lap times instead of spend millions of dollars shaving tenths off in a wind tunnel.

    glyflexglyflex3 महीने पहले
  • GOD BLESS YOU FORMEL F1 🌳🌳🌳🏎🏎🏎🏎🏎🏎❣❣❣🏁🏁🏁🏁🚩🚩🚩🌏🌐🌍🔥🔥🔥🔥🌍🌐🌳🌳🤩👍

    Rukiyati KueblerRukiyati Kuebler3 महीने पहले
  • So mercedes is racing illegal car

    Wasif2RWasif2R3 महीने पहले
  • Pedal, not peddle

    13thNinjaPenguin13thNinjaPenguin3 महीने पहले
  • Do you think in the future where see a motorsport with driverless cars and no rules. Just who can get the fastest car around the track

    balf1111117373balf11111173733 महीने पहले
  • So the FIA basically helped Mercedes circumvent the regulations by giving them a means to using technology they would've otherwise not been allowed to use. So...by that logic the Ferrari god power unit would've been legal if the FIA had told them how to implement it...nice.

    Shaun DeweyShaun Dewey3 महीने पहले
    • No, the FIA didn't help Mercedes. The FIA is open to any team seeking assistance with the legality of anything they plan on developing. That's one of the main reasons Racing Point has a problem: they didn't ask the FIA about their rear brake ducts. If they did, the FIA said that they would have help them implementing the design. The FIA just said to Merc:Oh you want to make this? It can't be like that because of that, that and that. Merc: can we do this, this and this? FIA: yes, even though we think is impossible, BTW it's gonna be banned next season Merc: no problem

      Juanillo__98Juanillo__983 महीने पहले
  • At this rate we will see horse wagons racing very son.

    Conceptual MessiahConceptual Messiah3 महीने पहले
  • People saying that banning innovation is bad have got this all wrong. The pressure the regulations place engineers under is precisely what necessitates innovation in the first place. If previous advancements hadn't have been banned, new advancements would never need to be developed. F1 designers are constantly innovating as a consequence of the rules, finding more and more ways to squeeze out performance in every way they can. And banning an advancement doesn't mean that that new technology disappears. F1 would probably just stagnate without the rules, as the hard limit of what a drivers body can endure would quickly be reached. Instead we have a Motorsport that constantly churns out new discoveries and innovations, because it needs to.

    Nick JonesNick Jones3 महीने पहले
  • One wheel brake is something tractors have. They have 2 seperate pedals for both rear left and rear right, but normally they are attached together. Obviously nothing for F1, but still interesting.

    Hopfa u Felder LS17Hopfa u Felder LS173 महीने पहले
    • So do motorbikes, It makes control A LOT easier

      Max KimmingsMax Kimmings3 महीने पहले
  • But isn't a Diff setting a rear wheel steering device too?

    Duncan CunninghamDuncan Cunningham3 महीने पहले
    • @Dave Smith By that logic the extra brake pedal also didn't provide angle change lol So no 4 wheel steering aswell

      ÆshÆsh2 महीने पहले
    • No because the angle of the rear wheels doesn't change

      Dave SmithDave Smith2 महीने पहले
  • FIA- A one step back organisation

    Sahil BaxiSahil Baxi3 महीने पहले
  • Honda's front diff to avoid inside tire lock up on turn in.

    Chris TamblynChris Tamblyn3 महीने पहले
    • Where Can i find some more info on that? Sounds quite brilliant

      Melvin NixMelvin Nix2 महीने पहले
  • Peddle?! Fml.

    Utopian Turtle TopUtopian Turtle Top3 महीने पहले
  • Tbh all this banning of innovation makes me tune out.

    Johnny NimbleJohnny Nimble3 महीने पहले
  • When the Mercedes haters recognize that the fact the DAS isn’t only one innovation what banned after one year: 👁👄👁 (I know, my english is bad as hell, I’m hungarian)

    Hunterbey YTHunterbey YT3 महीने पहले
  • What about the pendulum device used in the Renault for the 2005 Championship,that was very creative.

    Reg LepageReg Lepage3 महीने पहले
  • Don't worry. FiA will ban steering altogether. All because it is too costly for teams to invest it. As Steering is such a terrible innovation. Who needs corners?

    QardoQardo3 महीने पहले
  • I understand people being frustrated that a lot of innovative ideas get banned, but necessity is the mother of invention, as they say. Imagine that you’d built and refined a car design over the course of say, 10 years, by the end, the new ideas would be less groundbreaking than at the start of development and things may appear to stagnate form the outside as no noticeable changes take place. Then imagine the FIA changes the regs so that you will need a whole new car and design philosophy, now you’ve been forced out of the box that you built for yourself over the last ten years. As an analogy: would we have fairly advanced prosthetics if not for people losing limbs? Probably not, obviously losing a perfectly good arm is a bad thing, but you’ve now got an even better robot arm; which sounds like a good thing to me.

    Kyran BatterbeeKyran Batterbee3 महीने पहले
    • @Kyran Batterbee I'm very confused by what you just said. You basically used Mercedes dominance as an example of regulations working? I also fundamentally disagree with the idea that money can buy innovation. It cant. William's is a good example. They have never been a high budget team and have always had management problems even in their heyday, but they were competitive because their engineers consistently thought outside the box. Now that they aren't able to do that and are basically stuck with the same cookie cutter car as everyone else, the focus switches from innovation to polishing the design the fia provides. Same with lotus, they were maybe the most influential team in f1 history dispite never ever being a well run or high budget team.

      Bailey JonesBailey Jones3 महीने पहले
    • Bailey Jones The teams not being in a vacuum is exactly why I feel that way though, if one team is clearly dominating the field ( mercedes ), the other team either have to somehow make a faster car that doesn’t break the current regs ( which may not be possible ), copy the best car ( racing point ) or just settle for being slower. This would be very bad for the teams with less finances as the better funded will almost always make breakthroughs first as they can throw money at the problem. At least if they change the rules when a team is becoming too dominant, they give smaller teams a chance to find their own solutions. If the teams had nothing but safety regs to keep in mind then there would effectively be no competition anymore because the bigger teams would become untouchable. It’s a bit weird too how most of the fans agree that a Mercedes 1,2 every race is boring; but also are complaining that they are trying to shake things up a bit to knock Mercedes down a peg or two. The regs keep the sport competitive by levelling the playing field when required. Isn’t also more exciting to see how different the cars look after a big overhaul, as well as seeing how the teams have approached the design as opposed to seeing the same cars in the same positions year in year out?

      Kyran BatterbeeKyran Batterbee3 महीने पहले
    • That being said I do think the FIA gets treated far too harshly. Almost everything they ban or regulate is about safety. They have successfully turned formula one from a borderline suicide pact into a relatively safe form or motorsport and I respect the hell out of that.

      Bailey JonesBailey Jones3 महीने पहले
    • Well no because the teams dont exist in a vacuum. Innovation is pushed by the competition between teams, not the competition between the teams and the governing body. That's like saying we should change the rules of football every few years to stop tactics from stagnating. F1 existed for years without anywhere near the level of regulation it has today, and there was never an example of stagnation. I mean the current Mercedes dominance is pretty close to the worst in the sports history, so even if the theory worked on paper (which it doesn't), it clearly isn't working in practice.

      Bailey JonesBailey Jones3 महीने पहले
  • I have an idea since everything gets banned. Let's have all the cars with the same shape and technology from the 90s era and every car has to have the same shape, problem solved and just stop R&D at all

    SebSeb3 महीने पहले
    • @Kyran Batterbee sorry my point was let's just go to a more basic era, give same vehicles to everyone (like formula e or indi car), stop r&d at all and let's just define races by actual driver skills than having electronic and aero aids

      SebSeb3 महीने पहले
    • Seb I don’t really understand what you’re trying to say

      Kyran BatterbeeKyran Batterbee3 महीने पहले
    • @Kyran Batterbee it looks for gaps in the restrictions but it doesn't foments the R&D per se

      SebSeb3 महीने पहले
    • But banning ideas drives more r&d than not and every car has a different shape for this exact reason, if nothing was ever banned; then the best ideas would have been simply refined over the years and every car would have to be the same to keep up.

      Kyran BatterbeeKyran Batterbee3 महीने पहले
  • I never understand why the FIA gets scared of innovation ? If it works, it's safe & it can be used by all the teams then why "BAN IT!!!!" ? Should we ban turbos, power steering, sequential semi automatic gearboxes, fuel injection & everything else that improves the cars ?

    You Have One New MessageYou Have One New Message3 महीने पहले
    • The safety of the innovations is always debatable, and for other teams to implement something they need to spend ridiculous ammounts of money in R&D, even if they have to "copy" (reverse engineer) something, it's very expensive.

      Juanillo__98Juanillo__983 महीने पहले
  • Red Bull: "We weren't smart enough to come up with that idea so let's do what we have to in order to get it banned."

    Antonio BlackAntonio Black3 महीने पहले
    • *Ferrari

      Bailey JonesBailey Jones3 महीने पहले
  • FIA bans innovation because race car

    donny_s18donny_s183 महीने पहले
  • "Peddle"? Come on Autosport.

    3rdWheel3rdWheel3 महीने पहले
  • Hindsight is 20/20, but banning all electronic aids for 1994 was the worst decision the FIA has made. The cars were all designed with aids in mind already, so they were unstable without them. Senna said 94 would be a season full of accidents, and we know what ended up happening. If the FIA had banned all aids for 95 instead of 94, the teams would've had time to design cars around the regulations instead of adapting existing designs to them. Then again, would the safety measures that kicked in from '95 onwards have been put into action without the events of '94?

    ElWarriorElWarrior3 महीने पहले
    • rexmedorum unfortunately your probably right

      Troy HackTroy Hack2 महीने पहले
    • @MidN Music also probably in part because it was Senna. Had it been just Ratzenberger much less would have probably been done.

      rexmedorumrexmedorum2 महीने पहले
    • an accident like Senna's was gonna happen at some point, it just happened to be with Senna. A necessary tragedy, unfortunately. But the safety improvements that the FIA implemented probably saved countless drivers from injury or death

      MidN MusicMidN Music2 महीने पहले
  • 3:02 and 4:28 Can you please stop putting cringey shit like this in your videos. It's not funny, quirky, fresh, cute, or whatever it is you're going for. It's just cringe. (Also Jake get yourself off this sinking ship and over to the Race, they need you over there!).

    Zev MosesZev Moses3 महीने पहले
  • The ending was PFUNNY

    Zhang DavidZhang David3 महीने पहले
  • The FIA want cars to be faster, more efficient and more technologically advanced ... and then ban everything that works towards that.

    Dave McKeeganDave McKeegan3 महीने पहले
    • @shahalamgaming He at least knows more than you

      Evan NagyEvan Nagyमहीने पहले
    • Clearly u know nothing about engineering , and just copy others opinion ,

      shahalamgamingshahalamgamingमहीने पहले
  • Oh look, another Merc video

    generic usernamegeneric username3 महीने पहले
  • Here’s a thought... let F1 be F1... done! Stop squashing everything they invent and let them make radical cars that work, there’s an idea! Or just call it Spec F1 and they can all run the same equipment, oh wait there’s already many racing series like that.

    Chris NicastroChris Nicastro3 महीने पहले
  • F1 - We are the pinnacle of motorsport.. so what do we do? Ban all the innovations

    Kushal AdhvaryuKushal Adhvaryu3 महीने पहले
  • "Innovate...but not too much!" Ridiculous. Give every team the same car or give them the same budget with no restrictions other than general car dimensions.

    Steve SmithSteve Smith3 महीने पहले
    • So we would basically get pure dominance by one team. Restrictive regs prevent this.

      Ruben Van HoyeRuben Van Hoye3 महीने पहले
    • ツAtlas46 That's just a detail. Sure specify some crash safety requirements. The main point is if they want a V12, go for it. If they want an electric motor go for it. If they want more downforce, fine. Special breaking or steering fine. Let them innovate! It's as though dramatic innovation is not welcome but the same endpoint reached over a long period of smaller incremental innovations would be accepted which is silly.

      Steve SmithSteve Smith3 महीने पहले
    • ...erm no safety regulations then?

      ツAtlas46ツAtlas463 महीने पहले
  • 1:20 That is not Adelaide.

    ChaseChase3 महीने पहले
  • why cant' FIA allow unlimited innovation in f1 car. we might see more competitive race. mercedes come with das system and maybe there are other team that come with other innovations. sounds great to me

    irfan farulhirfan farulh3 महीने पहले
    • If they allowed every innovation the richest teams would sale away more and more every year, but stuff like McLarens third pedal is ingenious and relatively straightforward to incorporate into a car so probably shouldn’t have been banned imo

      Bible Man Is Watching You MasturbateBible Man Is Watching You Masturbate3 महीने पहले
  • Next: How FIA bans everything because reasons.

    Curious CatCurious Cat3 महीने पहले
  • Das is proof regulations are not to strict and Teams can Innovate still

    liam burgessliam burgess3 महीने पहले
    • aaaaand banned -FIA

      alexkera47alexkera473 महीने पहले
  • Isn’t it kind of strange that the FIA would say it’s ok to build DAS, in secret consultations with Mercedes, and then move to banner as soon as It becomes public, but still allow use in the remainder of the season? Am I missing something?

    Scott BrunnerScott Brunner3 महीने पहले
    • FIAs incompetence is Mercedes win. But it does sound weird that a governing body would give you parameters to use a device they wouldn't otherwise approve. I wonder if Ferraris God PU of last year could've been legal if they'd have asked the FIA how to circumvent the rules.

      Shaun DeweyShaun Dewey3 महीने पहले
    • This has happened multiple times in the past. Usually, like this example, it's a team finding a loophole in the wording and spirit of the regulations. It's not technically against the rules, so they're allowed to finish out the season employing it, but the syntax of that particular regulation is tightened up so it can't be done in a subsequent season.

      Ryan MillerRyan Miller3 महीने पहले
    • It’s just a slap on the wrist like “oh you got us there” Since it was legal according to the rules, though perhaps not in the spirit of them, the FIA wouldn’t want to discourage innovation by immediately banning it. To avoid other teams perhaps going through a phase of costly development, they banned it for next year, though. The FIA having been consulted every step along the way of the design of DAS by Mercedes probably helped them as well, since then the FIA weren’t blindsided by it at testing.

      RenRen3 महीने पहले
  • F1 ban everything.

    tom dorntom dorn3 महीने पहले
  • F1 should be about innovation, instead it is more politricks.

    Nico NestaNico Nesta3 महीने पहले
    • ah yes, politicks my favourite thing to talk about

      MashedPot8osMashedPot8os2 महीने पहले
    • Maybe watch something other than F1, then?

      Ryan MillerRyan Miller3 महीने पहले
  • One thing I've always wondered. How did the FIA themselves not notice the extra pedal in the Mclaren? Was scrutineering a bit laxer in the late 90s?

    Stephan JarvisStephan Jarvis3 महीने पहले
    • @Ren Its pretty much the later I believe. The FIA is privy to nearly all the teams "secret" tech, but is bound to not disclose that information as its confidential intellectual property. For example, the FIA knew that Racing Point were straight up copying the 2019 Merc long before the rest of the grid did. They came in, checked it and signed it all off.

      GamerFlairGamerFlair2 महीने पहले
    • @Ren That makes sense. Thanks for the reply.

      Stephan JarvisStephan Jarvis3 महीने पहले
    • They probably noticed it, and either assumed it was a clutch pedal, or maybe they knew what it was but had no reason to reveal it because it didn’t break any rules in their eyes. When the other teams found out and applied pressure onto the FIA, they they moved to outlaw it because of that pressure.

      RenRen3 महीने पहले
  • If all innovative design is allowed, than f1 should balance it with a reverse grid

    Alim ZazaZ MusicAlim ZazaZ Music3 महीने पहले
    • @ツAtlas46 what i meant is there will be no quali

      Alim ZazaZ MusicAlim ZazaZ Music3 महीने पहले
    • Everyone would just botch their quali then

      ツAtlas46ツAtlas463 महीने पहले
  • Once more an awesome video. Many thanks Autosport.

    Nasser Monteiro sampaioNasser Monteiro sampaio3 महीने पहले
  • typical politics, ban the few things that are actually innovative... then again, they banned the ground effect long ago and it's only now that they decided to accept its gains, let's hope DAS make a comeback as well

    Le Floffy A92Le Floffy A923 महीने पहले
    • @Le Floffy A92 That video is also incorrect. Both you and ChainBear are mixing up 'ground effect' and 'underbody tunnel' (a.k.a. venturii tunnel, though that's technically not correct as the venturii nozzle principle doesn't really work exactly the same... they've also been called "underwings" as well, though don't necessarily need to be wing shaped to work). F1 cars today do not use underbody tunnels. This is true. They use smaller "diffusers" which are dimensionally regulated (though, one could argue that they're essentially small underbody tunnels as they are working in the exact same way) and rake which slopes the entire underbody of the floor in an expanding shape similar to a tunnel with a shallow slope (though they cannot seal it with vertical elements at the sides, and instead use vortex generation to discourage airflow from coming in from the sides and negating the low pressure being created). F1 cars today sure as shit still use ground effect, which is the interaction of surfaces on the vehicle and the parallel ground plane in order to exaggerate lift, generally positive with airplanes and negative with race cars. I just described how they do it above. The underside of front wings as well are ABSOLUTELY working in ground effect. If you were to mount them higher from the ground, they would no question make less downforce. That's the definition of ground effect.

      Ryan MillerRyan Miller3 महीने पहले
    • @Ryan Miller inworlds.info/plus/xs600Il6gLHf0rI/v-iy

      Le Floffy A92Le Floffy A923 महीने पहले
    • @Le Floffy A92 It was not banned in 1983. Flat floor rules were implemented. Flat floors can and do work in ground effect. Front wings almost ALWAYS work in ground effect. Current F1 cars make a large chunk of their downfroce from the floors (upwards of 40%) employing rake and vortex sealing at the edges of the underbody. I don't know how you could "ban" ground effect. There's regions ALL OVER the car working in ground effect (both positive and negative).

      Ryan MillerRyan Miller3 महीने पहले
    • @Ryan Miller it was banned in '83, why do you think current cars lose 70% of their downforce when racing on the slipstream of the car ahead?

      Le Floffy A92Le Floffy A923 महीने पहले
    • Ground effect was never banned. Every F1 car uses ground effect to this day.

      Ryan MillerRyan Miller3 महीने पहले
  • Imagine the mind (s) that can design and fabricate a system that couldn't have even been fathomed by the people writing the rules. Fabulous engineering! 👍🏁👍🏁

    JUrry3JUrry33 महीने पहले
  • since they don't tell you what it is and I had to google it, the Mercedes DAS system allows the driver to change the toe of the car.

    R AndersonR Anderson3 महीने पहले
  • I honestly do not remember a time where Williams were considered a top team. I do remember in early 2000s when they were top 3.

    HM Car ReviewsHM Car Reviews3 महीने पहले
    • In 1992 they were qualifying two seconds a lap faster than Aryton senna at most of the tracks and when Ricardo patrese is that much faster than senna the car must be remarkable

      James OttJames Ott2 महीने पहले
    • @HM Car Reviews Juan Pablo Montoya is the best driver Williams had since Senna. JPM or Hill. I think JPM was faster anyways. Williams had the best car in 2003.

      Ciaron SmithCiaron Smith3 महीने पहले
    • @Ciaron Smith I do remember them being top 3 during the early 2000s but not the top team. For me Juan Pablo Montoya was Williams glory years.

      HM Car ReviewsHM Car Reviews3 महीने पहले
    • @HM Car Reviews 2001-2003 as well. But yeah that's fine.

      Ciaron SmithCiaron Smith3 महीने पहले
    • @Ciaron Smith So before my time, exactly my point. I do not remember them being a top team.

      HM Car ReviewsHM Car Reviews3 महीने पहले
  • What pedal typos are you going to peddle? :P

    HybridesqueHybridesque3 महीने पहले
    • Jesus! Worst. Typo. Ever.

      James CooperJames Cooper3 महीने पहले
    • They have a few stashed away in the pedal file.

      Joe KiddJoe Kidd3 महीने पहले
    • You'd think they'd know how to spell that! 🤦

      Mandy BMandy B3 महीने पहले
  • Someone PLEASE explain to me if there's any legitimate reason behind banning active suspension in F1???? Imagine how much MORE fun F1 would be if the cars had moved past the technology of late 80's/early 90's !

    Anton AdelsonAnton Adelson3 महीने पहले
    • @Anton Adelson You have to be able to scrutineer it. Like with the cars when they banned the sliding skirts and mandated a "60 mm clearance", teams found all sorts of different ways around it once they were out on track. I mean, they just have planks and stepped bottoms now. There's probably a way to do it, but I'm not Ross Brawn. I don't have answers for you. I have to wonder if it'd be even be that much of an advantage... maybe now that FRIC is gone it might help, but you're taking on the mass of an active system just to minimize a bit of pitch sensitivity from the front wing. That might be different under the 2021 technical regs. I dunno. Seems like just something Mercedes can throw more money at and have another advantage to me. In the end, I just don't think the FIA is interested in it at this point. Does it add value from the competition standpoint or the optics of the sport? I don't think it does myself. It's not tech that's in the zeitgeiest like hybrid and electrification is.

      Ryan MillerRyan Miller3 महीने पहले
    • @Ryan Miller Why not solve the issue with mandated minimum clearance instead of just banning the whole technology outright?

      Anton AdelsonAnton Adelson3 महीने पहले
    • @Anton Adelson Stalling the floor basically put the car so low that the tires could completely loose adhesion in a transient situation or undulation in track surface. The cars were basically running with zero compliance to keep the aero setup as ideal as possible making the whole platform sketchy. It was the fixed skirt days all over again.

      Ryan MillerRyan Miller3 महीने पहले
    • @Ryan Miller And what's wrong with that?

      Anton AdelsonAnton Adelson3 महीने पहले
    • @Anton Adelson This may be true at this point, but a lot of the FIA's interest in prohibiting it was around it being used (by Williams in particular) to adjust the aerodynamic platform of the car more than anything to do with what the tires were doing.

      Ryan MillerRyan Miller3 महीने पहले
  • Isn't it 2022 the DAS and RP merc copy is not allowed as the chassis' are largely frozen for 2021.

    Mason789Mason7893 महीने पहले
    • It’s 2021. The FIA said but it would kind of make more sense for it to be 2022

      Wíndows 4074Wíndows 40743 महीने पहले
  • Next on banned engine modes

    Tharal PiusTharal Pius3 महीने पहले
  • Remember when F1 was at the pinnacle of automotive technology that would trickle down to consumers cars? Funny how after the 80's they started banning any new technology or solution left and right. With that logic Chapman's ground effect Lotus would have been banned rather than spawning an era

    MafiousBJMafiousBJ3 महीने पहले
    • @MafiousBJ correct, applicable daily basis innovations now comes from wec rather than f1. Wanna know what your average car may have? Take a look at wec cars since it will come from there

      SebSeb3 महीने पहले
    • @MafiousBJ I do have a book about race car suspension ('Competition Car Suspension: Design Construction, Tuning' by Allan Staniforth) with a whole chapter on the active cars. The FW14B and similar systems were indeed cutting edge (though I'd posit the Lotus/Moog system was more sophisticated, despite being less effective). However, my point here is Formula 1 has LONG and REPEATEDLY set a precedent that that being the pinnacle of automotive technology is not always high on their list of goals. The W196 is the prime early example of that. They've eschewed countless forms of technology now common on road cars. They get touted as the 'pinnacle of motorsport' but that isn't the same thing. "Aero isn't everything people think" Certainly not everything, but way up there at the top of the list. Find me one F1 engineer that would say otherwise. They still agree it's absolutely paramount in being competitive and hugely disproportionate amounts of development is devoted to aero. Interestingly, The FW14B was dominant for exactly that reason. Unlike trying to control the suspension for perfect tire-to-track geometry and controlling transient moments like competitors, they were using the active suspension to do three simple things: 1. Jack up the car on the straights to lower the aerodynamic drag, 2. Squat the car down under braking and cornering to maximize downforce, and 3. Eliminating any pitch and roll to keep the aerodynamic platform of the car as ideal as possible. Maybe it's you that needs to read a book. :-| Also, there WAS a Corvette IMSA GTP (the U.S. version of Group C) car that was experimenting with active suspension in conjunction with the Lotus Active program.

      Ryan MillerRyan Miller3 महीने पहले
    • @Ryan Miller you must be new here. Go read about the Williams FW14B and 15C. Not even group C cars had all the gizmos those cars incorporated. Aero isn't everything people think of regarding "automotive technology"

      MafiousBJMafiousBJ3 महीने पहले
    • F1 has never been "the pinnacle of automotive technology". The designs are draggy garbage. They have been since they banned covering the wheels with bodywork back in the '50s.

      Ryan MillerRyan Miller3 महीने पहले
    • ​@MafiousBJ From what i've heard, the rocks and debris being thrown out the back was a story fabricated by the other teams (or at least one team in particular) in an attempt to get it banned on safety grounds. Apparently the design of the fan would mean that any debris brought up by it would actually be blown out to the sides, not through and out the back like what was told. While the car itself was never banned at the time it was withdrawn, later on the use of fans in this manner was banned (probably at the same time that ground effect was banned)

      Brendan McIntyreBrendan McIntyre3 महीने पहले
  • Engineers: let's be creative and make the cars faster. FIA: hey stop right there buddy I think I'm going to ban this

    Álvaro ViniciusÁlvaro Vinicius3 महीने पहले
  • I laugh every time some brings up how DAS is legal for this year only. FIA miss managed this one and they know it.

    Tyler BarrettTyler Barrett3 महीने पहले
    • @Curious Cat Correction. They shouldn't ban it out of the blue if it's legal. They absolutely can, as there is absolutely nothing illegal about engines modes and they banned those mid season. But yes, generally the rule is that if a part is illegal, its illegal already and the team is punished for using it. If its dangerous but legal, its banned immediately but the team is not banned for using it. Its its legal and they dont like it (usually because either a) its super expensive to develop and every team would have to develop it or b) its a fudge, and its clearly should not be legal but technically is)

      GamerFlairGamerFlair2 महीने पहले
    • @Curious Cat The reason the FIA banned it was because Ferrari and Red Bull had a massive issue with Mercedes gaining yet another advantage. The FIA succumbed to the pressure of 2 of the most powerful teams in the sport right now instead of just telling them that DAS is legal. Honestly it was pathetic.

      Mwi OMwi O3 महीने पहले
    • No, Mercedes was able to make it within the rules, the FIA can´t just ban it out of the blue if it´s legal, especially after the team consulted to know if what they were planning to do was within the rules. So they can´t just ban something they said it was considered legal before. They can only ban it the year after (and it´s usually to avoid other teams spending money in it) or this year if it was dangerous to the driver or other cars. It´s not, so it´s legal and safe.

      Curious CatCurious Cat3 महीने पहले
    • Das was banned for 2021 before Mercedes even showed off the feature. Article 10.15 of the 2021 regulations stated "the re-alignment of the steered wheels, as defined by the position of the inboard attachment of the relevant suspensions members that remain a fixed distance from eachother, must be uniquely defined by a monotonic function of the rotational position of a single steering wheel". Stop saying the FIA banned it for 2021 but not 2020. A system like DAS was always going to be banned for 2021, weather or not a team developed it.

      Andrew BehrendAndrew Behrend3 महीने पहले
  • It's a shame the majority of things have been banned and quite understanding that but how's about letting some banned items to be sneaked into the rules in a vague writing of a rule and let things go from there.

    Jonny ScottJonny Scott3 महीने पहले
  • What FIA should ban is the ridiculous wheelbases these cars run. They look like road boats. The shorter sleeker cars of the 90s looked so much better.

    BlackbeardBlackbeard3 महीने पहले
    • At The beggining, The MU were big and They asked for more space. Nowadays they already reduced a lot and they can short The car if they want.

      Leonardo AraujoLeonardo Araujo3 महीने पहले
    • @Faults No, the larger wheelbase is purely aero. The PUs really don't have much more of a footprint compared to the V8s and V10s

      FormulaChris085FormulaChris0853 महीने पहले
    • Faults OK but how do you explain all the bloat in front of the drivers head? It’s quiet simple, F1 has a desperate and pathetic hard on to beat circuit lap times year after year to be licked on by plebs as the “pinnacle of motorsport” even though chasing single lap times compromises wheel to wheel racing. If they climb out of their assholes and smell the roses they’d realize that fast nimble cars with exciting racing is more important than being a prototype lap time series.

      BlackbeardBlackbeard3 महीने पहले
    • @Blackbeard The large tyres in 2022 aren't going to make them more nimble though.

      Ciaron SmithCiaron Smith3 महीने पहले
    • Isn't the reason for the Larger wheelbase due to accommodating the Larger PU's?

      FaultsFaults3 महीने पहले
  • Fia really likes banning

    YourmomYourmom3 महीने पहले
  • Variable ratio rack and pinion steering was a huge challenge of itself, overcome by Bishop who provide the titanium steering rack's to the F1 field.

    Marc JacksonMarc Jackson3 महीने पहले
  • FIA ​​tends to ban everything that could represent any kind of ingenuity and innovation, but for years and years they have been accepting those horrible aerodynamic appendages, palettes, those front wings that look like my Gillette Sensor with "1347" blades and all kinds of visual dirt that make cars look like bird cages running at 300 km/h. Since they like to banish innovations, perhaps they should start with the infamous "Power Units" and bring back the art, the proper real engines, the V10/12 symphonic orchestras.

    A. SantosA. Santos3 महीने पहले
    • Be Caffé Yep Ferrari benefit from a ban. Where have I heard that before 🤣🤣🤣. Honestly embarrassing for them, the prancing horse more like the wonky Donkeys tbh

      Elias TengElias Teng3 महीने पहले
    • ​@Elias Teng The gap may be even bigger as they have the most reliable engine. Honda has make some progress. On the other end there is Renault. They might suffer. It will only benefit Ferrari, who doesn't have all engine modes available as per the "oil gate" scandal and the token regulations.

      Be CafféBe Caffé3 महीने पहले
    • Be Caffé Yh banning engine modes will definitely backfire I mean, if Merc were the only one that got banned then it might work but everyone is gonna get slowed so Idk what the FIA is smoking but I’d love some for sure.

      Elias TengElias Teng3 महीने पहले
    • ​@Elias Teng And yet they're banning engine modes. FIA states drivers saving the engine and getting better traction on slow speed corners with ECO mode, then using Boost mode on high speed sections of the track is bad for the sport. It's an unfair steering advantage, just like DAS. I'm starting to see a pattern here.

      Be CafféBe Caffé3 महीने पहले
    • They won’t do this because of the whole carbon footprint thing. I wish the engines would change to a normal V6 turbo but not hybrid. Carbon footprint shouldn’t be to bad and sound will be better than the hybrid engines now

      Elias TengElias Teng3 महीने पहले
  • Who else thinks its a bit weird that FOM bans everything innovative?

    Akhil SamavedamAkhil Samavedam3 महीने पहले
    • @krusher74 It’s not as interesting though because we know the teams aren’t at their full potential

      Evan NagyEvan Nagyमहीने पहले
    • This is a direct consequence of F1 success. It’s not about building the most advanced and innovative car but rather keeping the “sport” appealing to a larger audience globally at the expense of innovation. And don’t forget the petulant f1 fans who cry “it’s boring” when their favorite team and driver fail to produce a winning car. That’s why you here idiots say “things have to be banned to keep racing competitive”

      Thr33 Wise Men Me Myself & IThr33 Wise Men Me Myself & I3 महीने पहले
    • @SmoothFellow I think with rules and regulations change in 2022. they can start to not banning any innovations from any team

      irfan farulhirfan farulh3 महीने पहले
    • It's been like this FOREVER now. Heck, Formula 1 cars look the way they do because they banned the full bodywork of the W196 way back in 1955: www.grandprixhistory.org/images/merc196o.jpg

      Ryan MillerRyan Miller3 महीने पहले
    • It stops the big money from running away with the championship. Oh, wait...

      Worlds Worst MusicianWorlds Worst Musician3 महीने पहले
  • Why are most innovative ideas banned? If all innovations are banned then how can you be called the pinnacle of motor sport?

    Omar IsmailOmar Ismail3 महीने पहले
    • @Evan Nagy ?

      vxsaqivxsaqiमहीने पहले
    • @vxsaqi Have you seen 2019 and 2020?

      Evan NagyEvan Nagyमहीने पहले
    • You know how mercedes wins like every year because they can spend ludicrous amounts of money compared to any other team? If they didn't ban things it would just be everyone else competing for second.

      RC BuggiesRC Buggiesमहीने पहले
    • Because Le Mans is the pinnacle... these F1 drivers couldn't stay in the seat of a Le Mans prototype for 6 hours at a time

      Tiny Table WargamesTiny Table Wargames2 महीने पहले
    • Innovative? Yes it might be. But the cost can create a dent on the smaller team. FIA is looking for efficient-cheaper innovation. In other words it can cut the costs down from their current technology, but still remains or improve the performance.

      Sw1pzSw1pz2 महीने पहले
  • DAS isn't "steering the car in an unconventional way" DAS is a manual change of geometry. I can't make it a minute into your videos without realising I'm wasting my time with your poorly written bs. Are you getting paid for this?

    Chris FokjohnChris Fokjohn3 महीने पहले
    • In that case why do you subscribe to their channel? 🤔

      Formula1MadxFormula1Madx3 महीने पहले
  • RB is soooo butt hurt. They wreck young drivers by encouraging idiotic overtaking to compensate for their unstable chassis designs. Madd Maxx is destined for the wall if he doesn't get traded.

    curiositycuriosity3 महीने पहले
  • I think DAS was genious and i cannot understan why everything innovative in this sport must be banned

    Juho MJuho M3 महीने पहले
    • @Marc Jackson Let me help you with that... www.v-eight.com/multimedia/pdf/AutoTechBRV.pdf

      Jojo BeeJojo Bee3 महीने पहले
    • To protect competition, remember how in 2004 they suddenly changed to the V8 when the accord said the V10 engine spec was set in stone till end of 2008 regardless they did to ban another innovation the Ilmor/Mercedes/Bishop rotary valve head after secret development in Sydney Australia from 89-2004 with 8 of the finest engineers working on it 170 months putting the best part of their careers into it, where the 3D CFD engineer identified the mechanism in simulation of how a vortex turns into combustion enhancing turbulence for the first time in the world using 3D CFD. This was banned as a matter of urgency as the engine was 78kg vs 96kg and 50mm less height reducing centre of gravity and producing 5% more power with 6% less fuel. The first normally aspirated engine with 32% thermal efficiency and didn't suffer the destructive inertial forces that caused these engines to die around 350 km they could last several races not needing 3 engines per car per race.

      Marc JacksonMarc Jackson3 महीने पहले
  • Maldonado pioneered the innovative approach of steering by crashing into his rivals. Genius.

    lee plays basslee plays bass3 महीने पहले
    • Touch steering. My mum is very familiar with the idea of touch parking, but Maldonado took it up a level

      Callum LambkinCallum Lambkin22 दिन पहले
    • Haha

      10 pound sim racing 110 pound sim racing 1महीने पहले
    • But that technique was perfected by thousands of hours of racing in high quality sims like ‘Forza’ lol

      Quincy BowersQuincy Bowersमहीने पहले
    • No that was Michael Schumacher, remember his clashes with Damon Hill and Jacques Villeneuve

      James ManningJames Manning2 महीने पहले
    • wait maldonado didnt steer the aimed

      KrazyOkamiiKrazyOkamii3 महीने पहले
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